Menifee Valley Campus Training Exercise/MSJC
June 4th, 2008FYI
http://www.msjc.edu/forms/news.asp?Q=386
“There may be loud and unusual noises as well as public safety activity occurring on the campus during that time period. Aircraft may also be used in this exercise. ”
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Lots of your tax dollars at work here with the MSJC police department as lead player. At best, a public relations display.
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It is very sad that in the wake of Columbine, Virginia Tech, etc., that we would not have the support of the community, especially a representative of MSJC. I feel that the safety the police department provides to all of us should never be in questions. Bring on the noice and activity…spend my tax dollars…get as much training as you can!!!! Thank You and God Bless all of our Police Officers!!!
It’s not a waste of tax dollars preparing for the worst. It is a waste of tax dollars when the worst happens and nobody is prepared for it. The more they sweat in practice is the less they bleed when an emergency happens and they are prepared for it. I’d rather spend overtime pay in training that in body counts. Your limited vision can cost lives. Start looking at the big picture.
Of course it is our tax dollars at work. I expect them to conduct this type of training all the time. God forbid if something were to happen at MSJC and local fire and police agencies were not on the same page.
You comment sounds like your a bitter person against police and fire. When you up for election, you just lost my vote.
This is typical short sightedness of the board at MSJC. A Public relations ploy? Good, The ploy will give confidence in the MSJC Police for their efforts to prepare for a disaster and learn how to interface with other Public Safety departments. I might show up with a couple of gallons of coffee and a truck load of Donuts! I might even run for This post next election, it can’t be that hard…
We need to think about the purpose and the mission of MSJC. We need to think about priorties in one of the most unredserved districts in the state. The PD budget is not even public and the chief once said his jurisdiction is the State of California. Does it really make sense to use MSJC funds for general law enforcement off campus? At what cost? 100 class sections, 200 class sections? There is no data or analysis, but plenty of conclusions. Maybe MSJC should have it’s own fire dept. Is that worth 100-200 class sections for a service already available?
It would be interesting to compare the PD cost per student with other districts. It would have to be at or near the top. And remember, MSJC is in last place regarding the full-time part-time instructor ratio. It could be the district with the most cops has the fewest full-time instructors when measured as a cost per student. Would that be OK?
To “Menifee Lakes Resident”- It should not be the charge of a college police force to patrol Menifee or other communities for general law enforcement off campus. That is the public safety charge of the County not MSJC. Don’t complain when students can’t get class sections because msjc police bought a “Crown Victoria”.
Here again Motte is showing how short sighted she is on issues at the college. The drill I assume is something along the line of a Mass Casualty Incident. I am thinking this considering the agencies involved. Something that could really happen on college campuses these days. The MSJC Police is the lead agency because the exercise is being conducted in their jurisdiction (Menifee Campus).
My tax dollars are paying for the MSJC Police Department. Patroling around the campus is a good thing. Responding to mutual aid calls with other agencies (RSO) is what all police and fire agencies do. Does this mean that if MSJC Police is not available (after hours when they are shut down) RSO should not respond to incidents at the college because it is the public safety charge of MSJC Police?
I am not worried about students not getting classes because of the purchase of a police car. I am worried about students not getting classes because of the MSJC College Board of Trustees mismanaging money on things like lawsuits against other school districts (Menifee) and Azusa Pacific University. I remember well MSJC fighting the school district on purchasing the land and building of Bell Mountain Middle School. And by the way, it is good to see the Azusa Pacific University building being put to good use. We could have had a 4 year school serving our area and yet you fought to take over a building that does not meet the building code requirements of a “public school”.
Maybe it is time that we vote in new people with new ideas. A 15 year incumbent needs to move on.
To “Menifee” - The APU building is not being used unless you know something I don’t. It sits empty with 11 unused classrooms because four board members (yours) and administration supported leasing a Temecula building at a cost of $1.5 million over three years, rather than spend $300k to retrofit the APU facility to field act requirements which would then allow those 11 classrooms to be used for msjc students. If the district plans on leasing out the building, the revenue from that will be far less than state revenue earned from FTES enrollments in those classrooms.
That’s my point, the building is not being used! MSJC took the building from Azusa Pacific University thru emminit domain several years ago. Then you had to take them to court again because MSJC disputed the properties worth. Now the building that was taken from them has been sitting for several years. When you took the building, you knew that it would have to be upgraded. I can accept the fact about eminent domain if you then upgraded to facility and used it for students. You have been a member of the board while all these issues have taken place.
What concerns me even more is your statement about now leasing out the building! You took it through eminet domain, and now the college wants to lease it out? Who would you lease it out too? Azusa Pacific?
Well of course Menifee Lakes Residents would like a MSJC PD. They get more general law enforcement in their area without paying any additional taxes. What do you suppose the folks in Banning, Beaumont, Idywild, Temecula, Sun City, Lake Elsinore and Perris think, especially the ones that can’t get classes? Are MSJC PE classes still prohibited from jogging around Menifee Lake because it’s private property?
Menifee Lakes is owned by the homeowners of the association. There are several other lakes in the area that are also private. Sorry if your PE classes are not allowed to be conducted on private property. The CC&R’s do not allow it. Remember, Menifee Lakes existed prior to the building of the college. I should know, I was one of the first homeowners in this community.
I am disapointed that you have turned this discussion into a “playground sandbox fight” with your comments about Menifee Lakes not allowing PE classes to use the lake. I was hoping more out of a board member. You have reinforced the reason career politician’s such as yourself are out of touch and need to be replaced with people that can think outside of the box.
You never answered the question why did MSJC take the Menifee School District to court to fight the building of Bell Mountain Middle School? How much did that cost us taxpayers and how many more classes could have been held? You never addressed why MSJC used eminent domain to aquire the Azusa Pacific building several years ago and have since never brought it up to code to use. I am also curious about the comment made in regards to leasing the building? How much was spent on the building and related court cost? Who would MSJC lease it too?
I can honestly say that when MSJC started a police department at the Menifee Campus, I wondered why. Is there a crime problem on campus? It appears to me that the campus officers patrol the streets right around the campus. I have had one contact with the police (no I was not pulled over). Many of your students going to class along with residents in the community were speeding around Bell Mountain Middle School when the kids were going and returning from school. I asked if they could keep an eye on speeders. He said they were happy to do that. The next day I noticed an officer parked in the Azusa Pacific building parking lot. People slowed down.
The taxpayers in the other communities that you stated do not have a major campus the size of the Menifee Campus in the community. What was the trigger point to start a police department? I hope that you can answer these questions that I have asked without resorting to the I cannot walk around your lake argument again!
First, I am not a board member, second I was never asked why MSJC took MUSD to court, which they didn’t. MSJC took AZUSA to court because the property they acquired was in the MSJC master plan for expansion. The planning standard for a comprehensive community college is 100 acres. Something the Elementary District and Azusa had no respect for. And why is it not fair to talk about increased police protection for Menifee folks at the expense of less class sections?
I admit I made the mistake in thinking that “history lessons” post was Motte. However, she does not want to engage on this forum, her forum, why MSJC has wasted tax dollars on buildings and lawsuits? I recall MSJC taking the school district to court to get an injunction on the purchase of the middle school property. I remember it being a big deal that the second school was needed soon because the other middle school was filled up. As I recall, the land was zoned educational. The property owner wanted to sell, but the college did not have the money to purchase the property. The school district did. Same with Azusa Pacific. They had the cash, the college did not. The good Republican in me says that if I owned a piece of land that I wanted to sell, then I should not have to wait until another buyer (MSJC)comes up with the money. If the board had any brains, they could have leased the building during the day from Azusa Pacific for classroom space and APU would have their classroom space for night classes. I know that public classrooms have strict building codes that a private college building does not need to follow. Considering where community classes are held all over, it may not apply to leased classroom space.
In regards to the MSJC police department. The residents in the Menifee Lakes area did not have a say in the new police department. The college chose to start one to provide police protection at MSJC. Again, I do not know what the trigger point was to start a full police department? What I do know is one now exist. They patrol the college and streets around the college. A by product of that is an increased police presence in Menifee Lakes. Another by product is the fact that all public safety agencies (including MSJC Police) provide mutual aid to each other. On serious types of calls for service, public safety agencies will respond the closest units regardess of jurisdiction and provide backup to each other. Homeowners in the area just happen to get the increased police presence by default. However, if a bicycle is stolen from my garage, I will not see a MSJC police officer at my door, I will see RSO.
I cannot tell you if having a college police department is the reason that students are having problems getting classes. I would have to look at their budget to see if their budget comes from grants, a general fund, citations or what. My gut feeling is that the police is funded from other sources, not classroom budgets. I would be more concerned why you have a building that can be used and is not! I suspect that classroom space is more of an issue.
What fired me up is the fact that an elcted board member thinks that an exercise at the college is just for show and a waste of tax dollars. Those types of drills help our public safety agencies work together and “work out the bugs” so that if something bad were to happen at MSJC college, these agencies can provide the best safety services possible to the students and staff.
The training exercise is a good thing. The cost/benefit of the MSJC PD should be open to discussion, but it is not. Notice that the PD budget is subject to speculation, not facts. The funding sources and total expenses are secrects in this public agency. How can anybody say it’s worth it not knowing what it costs and what the trade offs are for students? Would it be worth it at double the current cost? Nobody knows.
MSJC Police are not doing a freakin thing besides cruising around bored as hell looking to pull people over people for the most minor infractions. the so called officers are dicks, they pulled me over on my bike and the dick cop asked me if i wanted a ticket. They have no job to do, they have the easiest job in the world. there all military brainwashed fat ass pigs that try to be all hard ass cops when their real job is to patrol the campus. dont they realize they are campus police. but theres no crime on that freakin campus. ive seen those stupid officers parked in the student parking lot for 30 minutes doing nothing but idiling their engines and chatting.
Menifee needs real cops not theses bored fatass campus wannabe real cops. why cant they do their freakin job and patrol the CAMPUS not the Target parking lot. Believe me i support cops, but i support cops that actually do something besides traffic patrol all day on Antelope Rd. i like cops that prevent crime. This is a corrupt department. It’s the Menifee Rampart division haha
According to PC 830.32, they are “REAL” cops, so before you go off on a trucker mouth tangent, know what your talking about. The only people that are pissed at cops are the ones doing something wrong that get caught. Who do you think handled the 2 on campus rapes that accured? So what if they are patrolling traffic, if people are violating the law, they need to be disiplined. Again, if they weren’t “real” cops, they couldn’t write tickets. Have some respect!!!!